Thanks, I got it. It was really interesting.
I will reply later this morning when I am awake and have time to think of all I want to say.
Thanks, I got it. It was really interesting.
I will reply later this morning when I am awake and have time to think of all I want to say.
wow, this is the best message board ever!
i really admire all you guys for realising the real truth about jehovah's witnesses.
i have never been a witness, but i had a serious relationship with one that ended in heart break.
born againer,
you have mail.
wow, this is the best message board ever!
i really admire all you guys for realising the real truth about jehovah's witnesses.
i have never been a witness, but i had a serious relationship with one that ended in heart break.
Welcome to the board. Nice to have another "worldly person" here. My daughter also had a long term JW boyfriend. No matter how nice the boy is, it just doesn't work, does it?
Love it! Thanks, Simon.
what do you think about offerings or collection plates being passed at church's?
i sometimes go to this christian church and they pass a plate.
being raised a witness, i sometimes get a weird feeling that they are doing something wrong and it bothers me?
The plate is passed "the offering" at the church I attend. There is no pressure at all about how much anyone should put in, and most regular parishoners have numbered envelopes, so no one knows how much they give. This is done so the church can keep track in order to issue tax receipt. Some people write a cheque once a year, and never put any money in the plate. There is no pressure either way. I have been involved by being on the vestry ( a committee of parishoners that help run the programs, organize things, make decisions about spending) and I have never known how much money anyone contributes over the year, but I have helped open the envelopes and record donations on a weekly basis. The treasurer of the vestry would know totals (an accountant usually), and confidentiallity has always been kept. By the way, at least half of the members of vestry are usually women. The vestry know in a total how much money is coming in and going out as they are involved in financial planning, but do not know total individual contributions other than something made public for a specific purpose by the giver. There is a small weekly notice in the bulletin about how much money was brought in last week for the whole congreation, but as it varies widely so one pays much attention. The total budget for the year is approved at the annual general meeting and any large spending decisons are voted on. It is at that meeting that there are discussions and disagreements about spending, and it is all sorted out there openly. There is very, very little talk about money and how much anyone should donate at our church, but lots of discussion on how it should be spent. eg. Do we pave the parking lot extension this year or next year?
My Dad rationalized it all and told me me years ago thatin the past the church provided medical care and social services for orphans and widows and those in need. Much of that is taken care of through taxation now, as the governmant has taken on that role here So, money that would have gone to the church for those social programs now goes to the government. He had a high income and was generous to the church as well as other charities.
It is a reality, that any church or Kingdom Hall has to bring in enough money to pay the heating and electrical, buy the supplies, repair the roof, pay the secretary, and pay the morgage, if there is one. After that, how much anyone choses to support whatever programs are going on is their own business.
A box at the back is no different than a plate passed around. There has to be some money collected somehow. As I have never set foot inside a kingdom Hall, I have no idea how much time is spent publically asking for more money or increasing donations.
i actually posted some of this in reply to rebel's thread..."for those of us with no opinion".
i feel that everyone should have an opinion and this is mine.
i feel some things i had to address and i can't just sit on my hands quietly anymore.. i think in the long run...no one really likes war, even then so-called "pro-war" people.
Well said. I couldn't agree more, Dottie.
okay, so i was at the ministry school/service meeting last night (as to why and all that see my answer to blondies watchtower review this week), which actually was not totally horrendous since i brought some essay questions to work on for a university class im taking.
i probably looked so theocratic (hehehe).
so during the service meeting theres a part on bad association, being careful at school, at work, blah blah blah.
Blue Saphire and Simple Sally,
I just read it and I loved it. My daughter read it and loved it. As a matter of fact, she said to me that Dinah's brothers were nuts to do such an awful thing. Out of the mouth of a babe.
wow i joined a discussion board...
first off, i have been lurking for about six months.
how i came to this site is (and bear with me please).
Welcome Chaosmama,
As another non-JW, I understand perfectly your horror at the shunning. The whole JW culture is somewhat bizaare and downright mean and creepy. It really is a cult.
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Thank you for bringing this to my attention. There is not a synthetic product out there that begins to have the advantages of a donor blood transfusion in an acute hemorrhage. Some of the artificial oxygen carriers (as they aren't really artificial bloods) had looked fairly promising, but it just shows that many side effects don't come out till the product is used on a wider population range.
i was doing some musing about prayer the other day, and another article popped out.
for anyone interested, it is at: http://www.liberator.net/articles/adamsken/powerprayer.html
Excellent writing, Running Man. I've never looked at it precisely that way, but boy, does that make sense.